NARK community support 9th Januray 2012
Post and threads transcript from the Private Group
Anne
Squires-Dorsey
We have all seen the state of the accounts as handed over 2 days ago by
Ms Caro Cragg. I think, in fairness to her, and given the fact that her
personal details were bandied about in here, the state of the accounts as they
were when she took over in November should also be made public. After all, the
majority of the monies were raised before she took over the position, and it
would be enlightening to see how much money was raised, was deposited (and when
it was deposited) and how it has been disbursed in recent months. Obviously, if
the money raised was deposited in the bank account for NARK, a lot of money has
been disbursed, as there was not much on deposit when Ms Cragg took over.
Emma Hartley I notice in the North Waikato News that Cherie and her partner Mike
'invented' the "CONAN" the funds from the sale if these was to go to
NARK .. how many have sold and where is the money from the sales? Also ..
according to the media MUCH money was given in the early days by citizens in NZ
to the cause, where is that money deposited and what has it been spent on
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Roberta
Karangaroa Money spoken about has not been made
as yet Emma this is indeed an invention from Mike and cherie as you have posted
BUT this is a donation to nark when its is finalised ... good on you for doing
research............. you will make a great marketer for the invention but lets
allow mike and cherie to finaise the bssineess okay . good points raised good
on you
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey Totally as a matter of information,
can someone please explain what this "invention" of 2 road-cones
fastened together is for? Just interested :-)
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Roberta
Karangaroa Invention around road safety Ann,
nothing to do with NARK however the generous offer and as recorded in the
waikato times Cherie and her partner wil donate to NARK, ....... this is a
future plan
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey Thanks, Roberta - can't read the
article and just wondered what it was for :-)
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Cherie Nark NZ I have noticed people confuse donation with an owed amount I with my
family are working on a personal venture which we hope to be able to support
Nark with why dont people just email me to ask
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Cherie Nark NZ As stated in previous posts I have also prepared a financial summary
but am waiting for more information to validate all amounts as should be
expected I wait for documents to validate figures not hearsay
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Cherie Nark NZ Ann her personal details
are not being bandieed as you suggest your accusations on my familoy however
have been
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Cherie Nark NZ yet notone person has asked
me ... weird
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Roberta Karangaroa
Presummption appears to be my favoirite word today!!!!
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey Your family's personal details were
"bandied" about by Roberta, Cherie - perhaps you should go and read,
then talk to her? As I recall, you were asked a couple of questions to try and
clarify things, and responded by swearing ...
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Cherie Nark NZ I was told by a random not
known personally to me that my husband was a sesx offendor VERY UNTRUE
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Roberta Karangaroa
lol@ bandied love the new word wil remeber that one
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Cherie Nark NZ lets repeat for those typos
NOT A SEX OFFENDER
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Anne Squires-Dorsey
It's always good to increase your vocabulary, Roberta ;-) Why don't you explain
to Cherie how people got very confused by your "explications" of the
circustances surrounding the resignations?
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Roberta Karangaroa
agree Ann english language is GREAT and maori is my other language
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Cherie Nark NZ He was a youth offender if
thats gonna scare anyone and it is because our family were so upset that this
could be used against me they felt obliged to apologise to all of those who
felt the need to judge
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Roberta Karangaroa
Ann I have no need to esxplan any thing to cherie and r partner you see I know
them on a personal leval unlike many in here so again i have no intention of
feeding your playground of stiirring tonight I am far to busy for that sorryLOL
god try though
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Roberta Karangaroa
and for the record the background of cheries partner has nothing to so with you
and or NARK as long as NARK is not place4d into disreput then there is no area
of concerns thats said that goes for ANYONE involved with NARK,
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey No, Cherie, it isn't going to offend anyone. People
make mistakes as young 'uns. Roberta's "explainations", however, were
vouched in such confused and confusing a style that no-one could make head nor
tail of them. So stop trying to blame people for trying to figure things out
(Especially as the truth appears to be nothing much at all)
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Cherie Nark NZ Roberta posted on behalf of
our family and I have no issue with her post I feel that too many have an issue
with her post and thats just an issue they have
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Cherie Nark NZ I cannot be resonsible for
how others perceive me even when they are wrong and have the wrong people in
mind
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Roberta Karangaroa
But whaT I wil say is this while you continue to chase the witch hunt I can and
wil stand uo and mihi to this man, he has been VERY supportive to cherie in
this cause he has supported her financially in the background un noticed and
consistant why you may ask????? not for personal gain but more so because he as
cheries partner suppports the kaupapa ( Vision / Goals ) as we all do in here
Ann
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Roberta Karangaroa
Agree cherie therefore stop justifying this.......... to EVERYONE!!!! subject
closed !
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Paul Anderson
Roberta, let us go back to the accounts. From comments made by you a little way
back, one of your board members, Jimmy Boswell was to deposit $3000, which
belongs to NARK, to the NARK account by 3pm last Friday. According to the bank
account as posted on here and subsequently taken down, but I still have a copy,
only $1000 of that was deposited and his name appeared as reference. WHERE is
the other $2000.
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Cherie Nark NZ Im sorry I just see people
talking the wrong crap and I cant help it I feel personally aswerable and want
to correct
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Roberta Karangaroa
paul where is that post please can you put it up for me with thanks,
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey Then please do so, and stop letting others speak for
you, Cherie. You started this worthy cause, and I think people would like to
see you yake control again.
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Roberta Karangaroa
I dont recal posting anything about jimmy boswell in here paul however I wil
stand corected if i have given lomg day and hour can you place it up please Paul Anderson
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Paul Anderson
I have a copy of the bank account but I do not have a copy of your post. I am
sure that if I go back through the older posts I could find your comment, that
is if it has not been deleted like a lot of comments were. Now can you confirm
what I am asking about the $2000 if not I shall consider going to the police
and talk to them about misappropriation of monies.
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Cherie Nark NZ I am in the process of
working the right data into their fields
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Cherie Nark NZ like income expenditure
(sorry collated paperwork, a significant amount yhas peoples personal details
and i wont do that again
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey oh for goodness sake! Find a pro bono accountant to
show you how to keep simple accounts, why don't you.
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Cherie Nark NZ I have all the Give a
little site info and It all equals out but to make sure I have to make sure the
work i have paperwork for each figure i resolve This is not an overnight
process
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Paul Anderson
I am not interested in personal details. So both you and Roberta stop ducking
and diving and say where that money is. I am sure that everyone here would like
to know. If Jimmy still has that money, why was it not deposited when asked
for.
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Cherie Nark NZ so unless i can tidy those
names off their statements I cannot back what im saying so i would be talking
crap ok
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Roberta Karangaroa
you have the right to go anywhere you like paul, However I am confident to say
the police wil tell you there willb a process of responce so by all means do as
you see ift ........ no hesistaion there however please be careful of
slanderous remarks given this is a public area , and for the record jimy
boswell has made a transfer from give a little to NARK as at last week however
you appear to have more information than we have.... hum interesting yes if you
feel mis appropriation has occurred without any firm facts then yes I agree go
to police if this gives you an understanding of this process
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Roberta Karangaroa
well done for speaking up Paul about time someone in here did !!! instead of
presumming
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Paul Anderson
Roberta, you gave that particular person a long time to pay that money. Has
that money been paid and if not why not
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Cherie Nark NZ Fine to boast out why it
was less of a hassle to work out money side now but without the payment advices
and statements current Im not talking the right figures. I have to say kapai Paul Anderson
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey LOL! ROFLMAO! Roberta, you are a master of twisting
things :-)
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Roberta Karangaroa
there seems to be an aweful of information in here that was PRIVY to HQ and
that in itself is interesting indeed
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Cherie Nark NZ if you have seen Roberta
twist like
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Roberta Karangaroa
clearly its your intepretation Ann................. and we each have the right
to comprehend as we see fit !!
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey I guess the trouble is, when someone is putting a lot
of stuff up on here in an attempt at obfuscation, they do forget what has been
said ... :-)
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Paul Anderson
What payments and advices, I don't believe that there are too many as Roberta
stated that most cost have come out of your own pockets.
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Roberta Karangaroa
LMFAO I am VERY CLEAR in my thinkig Ann ...... we arnt getting personal now are
we ... consdering we have NEVER mjet i find that quite hillirious actually
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Roberta Karangaroa
yes agree Paul and send to us your email and we wil ensure you are the first to
cceiw accounts apart from in here of course .... no issues with accounts paul
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey No, Roberta - I am not getting personal However, I do
see how you might take it that way :-)
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Roberta Karangaroa
hah pleas please Ann Lets agree that you willl NOT pressume to know how and
what I comprehend please you are way out of line Ann
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Paul Anderson
I will not put up my e.mail address here. Why will you not answer my simple
questions? Why? Why? Why? Are you hiding something from us all as regards this
money.
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Roberta Karangaroa
Paul its more the reconciling then the spending this has NOT been done at ALL
by anyone! so hopefully that wil give ou a better understanding of where we sit
and time , cherie has done a mavellous job to date however we stil need to
colate reconcile etc I am sure you know where I am coming from okay
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey I have merely attepted to get some of the
clarification that you (anD Debz, if I remember right) promised us. I'm sorry
if you find that uncomfortable
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Roberta Karangaroa
OH please at 11,18pM you are NOT serious that I will answer your querries !!!
ve me a break !!!! why are you sooooooooo sure that there is a hidden agenda
here !!
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Cherie Nark NZ and I think I am quite
capable of accounts unless any of you wanna do my books? give me soooome credit
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Roberta Karangaroa
I wonder if you all are going to be so up standing to apologies to this team
for the bagering and abolute harrassment of us here
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Paul Anderson
Roberta, I am tired just like you and I am now fed up with the crap you keep
feeding me. Where is that $2000?
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Roberta Karangaroa
actully i tell you all now this is enough !!! I will have my lawyer act on
behalf of NARK first thing tomorrow morning this is absolute rubbish given the
hour of the night !!
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Roberta Karangaroa
you seenm to know the answerrs apul you tell me !!!!!!!!
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Paul Anderson
OK you get your lawyer but also explain to your lawyer why that money has not
been deposited in the NARK account.
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Roberta Karangaroa
I sugest strongly that you allow this team to sort the required documentation
before maing your accusations to this team and cherie .. seriously take head
everyone
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Paul Anderson
Where is that money? Why are you not answering direct when it was you who made
the comment a few days ago.
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Roberta Karangaroa
Paul i have been involved with NARK since Nov 2011, therefore I have taken on
the role as a member of the interim working party / board therefore wil take
all that this involves however I wil not toleraste your bulling and attackes on
the interim team without factual information therefoee yes I wil be seeking
leag advice on accusatuions made
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Cherie Nark NZ we have 3 Nark accounts
paul thanx to people setting accounts up
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Paul Anderson
Okay, you have 3 NARK accounts, why were they not posted up the same time as
Caro's statement to sow a truer state of NARK's accounts.
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Roberta Karangaroa
how about you think about coming on board with this team paul all the critisuim
we have had to endue has certainly ben endless becuse people walked in mass of
resignations however while I respect that I also have an expectation that
members... wil give this team some respect of time given we all work ful ltime
Paul, when information if finalised then yes ask and seek your answers this for
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Roberta Karangaroa
from where i sit I dont think people were aware of that fact paul until
investigation took place
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Roberta Karangaroa
how you all didnt ask any questions prior to this team leaves me wondering also
so please dont shoot the people whom have given of there time to suport NARK
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey What kind of Mickey Mouse organisation is this/ You
cannot handle donations without keeping proper records - and that includes
knowing how many accounts you have :-(
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Roberta Karangaroa
How long you Been a member in here ??? with the skills i have seen you post why
havent you put those skills out here for cherie to tap into .. quick to pass
judgements people sad really
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey As far as most of us have seen, Roberta, this has
been a "closed shop".
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Roberta Karangaroa
and in part I totally agree with you Ann, however when I and others before me
came in to support I and I am sure others didnt realise how much of a shambles
this actually was hence the length of time to set up structure
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Paul Anderson
I am tired and I am going to go off now and get some sleep and also to consider
what I need to do or think is best to do.
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Roberta Karangaroa
from my point of view anyway Paul i think the issue has been no process and or
structure and certainly no governance & management structure
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Roberta Karangaroa
has it always been a closed shop Ann in your time as been a member of
nark.............. opps or were you privy to more information than most, hum i
wonder
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Roberta Karangaroa
good night paul and thank you for the communications
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey Me too, Paul and Roberta. And my name has an
"e" at the end -:-)
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Cherie Nark NZ hum if you wanna be
involved in process :-) Anne I skipped the e coz it tagged you
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Anne Squires-Dorsey
Isn't that a pain - sometimes I really dislike FB.
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Roberta Karangaroa
oh Anne have you placed your hand up to support the team?? that so generous of
you and the time we wil save with an experienced person would cut down our
personal time thats GREAT! thank you
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey No, I haven't, Roberta - and am exteremely unlikely
to while this is such a shambles. In addition, i do a lot of travelling and
often don't have access to the internet, so would be of no use to you. Sorry.
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Roberta Karangaroa
arohamai i must have presummed that, apologies, can understand that traveling
does take up time I have experienced that same problem when travelling in my
work and sometimes its great NOT to have internet so yes acknowledge your
reasons BU...T to clearly say NARK is a shambles is and wil be the opinion of
alot however a good shake up is good in any area of vounterary capacity dont
you think reflection is great and hindsight with wisdom is even better
........... my thoughts anyway Anne
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Anne
Squires-Dorsey I sincerely hope that NARK can survive this. It has
so much potential for good. But at the moment ...
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Roberta Karangaroa
tut Tut Anne we wont presumme now wil we, I acknowledge there has ben a mess
and please appreciate that not ony Caro Cragg started in NOV so did I, however
In my short participation I have experienced that not all was well as could be
Anne,... however with all the skill in the world there was no governance strcture
hence cherie approaching me to support what happened before this time of me
supporting I cant answer that however I AM in support now so where do we
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Roberta Karangaroa
ops correction Caro was here as a member for some time prior to that date.
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Roberta Karangaroa
arohamai we discussed that today when i called her ....... oh and by the way in
case you didnt know but I am sure you did Caro accepted the genuine apology
from the interim team of NARk
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Roberta Karangaroa
which was great of her to do and I acknowledge this to her
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Roberta Karangaroa
anne I have just read back though the post and clearly can I just let you know
I am not uncomfortable at all with your queries LOL in actual fact why oh why
would anyone get uncomfortable behind a computer thats a childish statement
dont you think ............ actualy dont you all think
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Roberta Karangaroa
if you knew me personally Anne you would know it takes an aweful lot to make me
feel unconforatbale in actuall fact I have absolutely no hidden agenda i am an
open book
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Roberta Karangaroa
I work with all different types of people and no none of them make me feel
uncomfortable
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Roberta Karangaroa
I am well over that from my abuse. so please dont feel you do actually I thiank
you for your stimulating post of discussion
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Roberta Karangaroa
good to have that mental stimulation after working with trauma and abuse all
day Anne as I am sure you wil understand again my thanks for your participation
of the late hour of the night
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Roberta Karangaroa
what do you do with your spare time Anne just as a matter of interest apart
from net and sites to suport child abuse................... are you active with
any local groups at all ? I understand you are a busy lady as well .. sometimes
we forget to have that ME time do you agree..... inmy case my ME time is
working however I am going to take a break over the weekend
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Laurie Ludlow I think its
rather arrogant to assume or insinuate that Anne does nothing other than on the
net. I also think that you are rather disrespectful to alot of members that
have been here longer than you have Roberta, I happen to know that Anne (like
myself and many others) were included here on day dot when this group was
started, not just from November.
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Roberta Karangaroa
asumume lol again theres that presumption how do you read that I have assummed
Hm Laurie Ludlow, In actuall
fact I was genually trying to make conversation with Anne, and whilst you
mention my arrival in Nov I can assure you I have been par...t of this kaupapa
with cherie for alot longer furthermore laurie, its not about time and been
here longer merely around support of many ........ Anne I eleive is a very busy
women as she has communicated with me of tonight so why oh why or more so did
you presumme i thought otherwse laurie??? ....... gee now who is asuming
here!!See more
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Roberta Karangaroa
do think however think there is far to much of that going on in here and in
actual fact can I suggest that everyone can be mindful of respect including
myself when post are constantly placed up hunting for The firing squad with
accusations ...and or as you have clearly defined arrogance and insinuations of
many including myself / cherie Debz and Jimmy, like you we are here to support,
and not to seek financial gain as cleary has been implied by many in this
group...... sorry needed to correct postSee more
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Laurie Ludlow perhaps its
how youre picked up then, as Ive seen you mention your arrival several times
and there seems to be a whole lot of talking down by those whom have
'positions' to those of us whom support what this cause is meant to be about.
That is an OBSERVATION not an assumption.
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Roberta Karangaroa
point taken laurie I am a straight up no nonsence person no doubts about that
and sometimes people dont know how to comprehend this, however with that, those
that take the time find me to be a very supportive and I have walked the 1,000
ni...les many times for people however thats an area i gave up on many years
ago and in actual fact I dont take ownership of how people comprehend me today
this is who I am and this is my make up sadly this wont change and as I respect
who you are, therefore I have that expectation laurie, I do hear your pointSee
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Pete George
I haven't seen what went on last night - I thought things had settled down to
people being reasonable so I had an early night - but I heard it has resulted
in a fair amount of distress. More distress piled on top of what's happened over
the last few days. Sadly that seems to be the aim of some people posting here.
Nark is supposed to be working against abuse, and I'd hope that everyone in
this community could conduct themselves in here non-abusively. Unfortunately
some have either posted here without considering their approach reasonably, or
have chosen to deliberately harm Nark and to harm those who are left trying to
sort out the problems.
Please wait for factual details - these are taking time to produce as they have
to come from a variety of people who have also got other things to ...
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Lorna Waerea
Working with boards for the past 11 years, i am aware of the hard work
that is done behinfd the scenes and from what i can see within the past 24
hours there has been progress that everyone has seen, by the looks of it there
is still a long way to go but slowly wins the race. we all arent perfect and
mistakes happen, what we need to do now is learn by the mistakes and move
forward to providing a better organisation to help our children..because in the
end the children are what is important.
Phil Ryan Thats great Lorna but for so many to have decided to leave this group,
the question that still hasnt been answered is why? what went on? why were the
posts deleted? why were there personal attacks? and the questions go on they
wont go away they need answered.
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Phil Ryan Oh and a professional Audit by a registered accountant as well, clears
up once and for all any idea of in appropriate handling of funds
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Phil Ryan To have this done by any one other than an idependant proffessional
would be wrong!!!!!
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Lorna Waerea going on experiences i have had, when someone resigns from a position
or has a complaint then it is handle by mangement is that correct? and from
then it is between management and the person who resigned or complained not
anyone else? if im wrong then please correct me but im pretty damn sure that im
correct.
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Lorna Waerea
the problem with internet is that there is soo many different stories
and most of the time everyone has the stories wrong and not the straight
facts...now im not saying things that have happened on here are all crap..im
saying with soo many... peoples opinions it all gets muddled up and then it all
be comes hear say. What im saying is let the interim board get on with thieir
investigations and find out what has happened and how it can be rectified and
if possible fixed or put procedures in place so it doesnt happen again.See more
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Lorna Waerea
Boards have the right to go into what you call "in commitee"
for those that dont know what this is, its when only those that are on the
board can be present and no one else..what is said in "in committee"
is confidentual and not for everyon...e to know as its deals with personal
issues or dealing with employees or employers. the point im making is
..resingations can be dealt with in "in commitee" and all the board
has to say to the public or other eployers is that the resignation has been
accepted and we wish so and so the best in the future. ITs not for every Jo
blog to know.See more
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Angie Rogerson I think the number one thing people want to insure is transparency. It
is one reason why so many departments etc have an independent or as close to
independent, complaints process and investigation team. I am not saying the
board will attempt to be anything but honest but self auditing of accounts,
actions and behaviours can come with its ow.
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Lorna Waerea
Angie Rogerson...i totally agree with
your post and maybe the problem also was inexperience within the structure
itself at first. Everything happens for a reason and i believe all of this is a
learning curve for everyone. IF this is going to be succesful then people with
experience need to be put on the interim board and from the posts i have seen
from Roberta Karangaroa, as interim chairperson..things are starting and will
change for the better and nothing like this will happen again.
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